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One of the most admirable and impressive things about the EA movement is how many people in it will avidly learn about other areas. Whether it be animal welfare, mosquite bed nets, asteroid risk, or the properties of various AI programs, you can find numerous EAs who really have gone out of their way to master many of the details.
They don’t quite acquire expert knowledge, but due to their general facility in the application of reason, often they can outargue the experts themselves.
Yet one thing I have never met — ever — or seen on Twitter, is an EA who understands finance at a comparable level. Never.
And that is odd, because EAs so stress the import of probabilistic thinking.
If you pose the “have you thought through being short the market?” question, one hears a variety of answers that are what I call “first-order wrong.” That is, there may well be more sophisticated defenses of those points of view, but you just hear the first-order response, designed to dispose of the question without much further thought. A few of those responses are:
1. “Why should I have to gamble?” (Given your other views, it is hedging not gambling)
2. “There is already evidence I am right. My friends and I made a lot of money buying Nvidia stock.”
3. “I don’t know how to short the market.” Or “Amateur investors shoulnd’t short the market!”
4. “Did the stock market predict Hitler and WWII?”
5. “How possibly can I cash in if the world ends very suddenly? After all, the AGI has an incentive to deceive us.”
6. “But I don’t know when the world is going to end!”
7. “Why should I short the market when I can earn so much more going long on Nvidia!?”
8. “Well, I am not buying stocks!”
9. “If the world is ending soon, what do I need money for?”
10. “But if the world doesn’t end, things will be really great.”
And more. (I’ve even heard “Are you short the market?”) I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to work out what is wrong with these responses. In most cases o1 and Claude can come to your aid, if needed.
I do believe that Aella, for one, is in essence short the market. Good for her, as she is also pessimistic about AI. But here are two responses I have never ever heard, not once:
11. “I’m going to sit down and study finance and see if I can find a feasible way to short the market. If I can’t I will feel sad, but I might get back to you for further guidance.”
12. “Soon enough, AI will be good enough to tell me how to short the market intelligently. Then I am going to do this — thanks for the tip! ”
Nope never. The absence of the last one from the discourse I find especially odd. “AGI will be powerful enough to destroy us, but not good enough to help me do an effective short!” OK…
The sociology here is more indicative of what is going on than the arguments themselves. Because the EAs, rationality types, and doomsters here generally are very good at learning new things.
Of course, once shorting the market even enters serious contemplation (never mind actually doing it), you also start seeing current market prices as a kind of testing referendum on various doomster predictions. And suffice to say, market prices basically offer zero support for all of those predictions. And that is embarrassing, whether you should end up shorting the market or not. Many EAs and rationality types are also fans of prediction markets in other contexts.
I nonetheless would urge many EA, rationality, and AI doomster types to learn more basic finance. It can liberate you from various mental chains, and it will be useful for the rest of your life, no matter how long or short that may be.
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